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On Listening To The KDS/2 Digital Volume Control

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It’s been a long time coming, but I’ve finally been able to hear the difference between a KDS/2 driving a power amp directly, using the inbuilt digital volume control (DVC), and a KDS/2 combined with a Klimax Kontrol/2 pre-amplifier.

The demo was kindly arranged by Neil at Hidden Systems (Midlands) in Kidderminster. He’s got a fab new shop, with loads of free parking and coffee by the bucket load. I thought the dem room had a great sound, which made listening to the differences really easy. This, combined with Neil's relaxed approach made for a very enjoyable morning.

The KDS/2 was running the latest release of Davaar (34) and when listening to the KDS/2 + KK/2 combo, the DVC was switched to fixed output.

I’m familiar with the sound of a KDS/2 with, and without, an Akurate Kontrol/1, and for me, the KDS/2’s DVC easily outperforms the AK/1. It’s not a difficult comparison at all: the DVC is much more tuneful and the sound is improved too. I'm not aware of anything to be gained by putting the AK/1 into the circuit. But, as has been said before, the AK ain't no KK.

To be honest, I was really surprised by the magnitude of the difference between the KDS/2 with and without the Klimax Kontrol. For me, the DVC very easily out performed the KK/2. With the KK, everything sounded out of tune - even voices, which also struggled with range. The differentiation between the pitch of notes appeared to be severely limited and instruments were presented as individual sounds, having no relationship with the other instruments.

Removing the KK improved the musicality no end. Reggae had that all so necessary characteristic infectious rhythm instead of sounding like a Caribbean cacophony. I could recognise the tune when Barb Jungar sang Man in a Long Black Coat, and it changed from something quite embarrassing (she was murdering a great song) to something really quite interesting. Timing was greatly improved and I thought that removing the KK allowed instruments to sound much more realistic too. A piano sounded as though it was being played in front of me, rather than listening to a recording of a piano in another room.


Only on one track, did I hear why I think some forum members have said they prefer to use a pre-amp with the KDS. It was a Clash track which sounded a bit harsh using the DVC and the KK smoothed things off a bit, making it slightly more listenable. However, this wasn't enough to convince me that a KDS/2 needs a pre-amp for the majority of listening. If the KDS makes the Clash sound a bit raw, then so be it - we're talking about the Clash for goodness sake, not Andre Rieu!

In the interests of fairness, I have to say that Neil didn't agree with me. His preference was for the KK in the system. We talked about what we were both hearing and agreed to disagree. If anything, I think this just highlights the need to "just listen" for ourselves and not let the forum consensus choose our systems for us.

Thanks again to Neil for putting on the dem and for being such an affable host.

Bach's B Minor Mass

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From the Exakt thread:

"And whilst I'm on, let me share that it has coincided with my downloading the new Bach B Minor Mass from John Eliot Gardinder, the Monteverdi Choir and English Baroque Soloists, IMO the best version so far, with sound quality as near as I've ever heard to being there, and my candidate for the greatest music ever composed. So there!"

Would welcome others' comments.

Time for a Chuckle

242s or upgrade Keltik amps?

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I've started to consider how to improve my current hi-fi system and was looking at a few options. As of next month I should have the following components set up:

Front: Keltiks - 2 LK100s, AV5105 on mid and Klout on treble
Centre channel: Centrik (mk1) - LK140
Rear speakers: Keilidhs - LK100
Subwoofer: BK Monolith
Pre amp: Linn Kisto
Source: Oppo BDP-93 & Squeezebox Touch using Kisto's DAC for music

At the moment I'm considering one the following options:

Keep the Klout and sell the other front channel amps and the Keltiks to purchase a pair of 242s

Invest in a Majik DS

Upgrade the LK100s to another AV5105 and Klout

What would people recommend?

Tidal CD quality???

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Got an offer for free trial Tidal subscription, so why not give it a go.

Bammm...the first track i listen to is in AAC, 96kbps.


.jpg  Tidal96.JPG (Size: 70.77 KB / Downloads: 30)

I am glad this is a free trial. But not serious imho.

How far apart should my speakers be?

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Hello peops?
I have purchaed a Linn Akudorik system for christmas?. It was purchased from Audio Affair in Birmingham and should be delivered to me in the next week or so. The experts won't be able to install it until the new year as they are really busy coming up to Christmas. I don't mind because they are a small business, and I can do a temporary set up my self.
A wee question though, how far apart should my speakers be? The room is quite small at only 3 meters squared. The speakers will be set against the back wall which is brick. Any opions, advice would be greatly appriciated☺️☺️☺️☺️
Darrell

ADS 2015 will not run with Davaar 34

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I had my ADS upgraded in the summer to the 2015 version. It has been fine until version 34 of the firmware. The first attempt to upgrade to 34 failed, the first failure I had ever had. After a reboot it seemed to work so I didn't panic.

Today my ADS would not boot. All I got was a flashing blue dot, Konfig couldn't see it and it wouldn't ping. Absolute panic, this at Christmas of all the year.

Downloaded 33 and used the recovery button got Konfig to install 33. Machine working again. Got the upgrade message so I upgraded. This time it did not fail according to konfig but the ADS was giving boot problems again. It was 50/50 each time I switch on if the machine will stick at the flashing blue dot.

Downgraded to 33, all is well again.

I had noticed that Konfig had not downloaded a fresh copy of 34 and I thought maybe my copy was corrupt. I downloaded 34 manually and installed it with recover switched on. Did not fail to install but I was back with boot up problems.

Installed 33 again , all working again.


My ADS 2015 will not work with 34, simple as that.

Any suggestions?

Cheers,

Bob.

Which NAS drive

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So, getting my new Linn Ahudorik system next week?
Will mostly be streaming from Tidal, however I am thinking about a NAS drive for downloading hi res audio. Don't know much about NAS drives, looking for something inexpensive to get me started. Would also need built in hard drive with NAS, as I said I know very little about the technology?
Thanks
Darrell

Speaker cable ideas

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I have an LK1 and LK2 with a Mimik as source into a pair of passive Kabers. Any idea on affordable speaker cable options?

Majik DSM/2 and first upgrade?

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Morning Folks,
I have a new Majik DSM/2 with K400 into a pair of early Keilidhs (with Kustone bases). My wife and I love what we're hearing and are rediscovering our music collection.
I have spotted the following for sale used:- Majik 2100 amp for 850 Euros by mail order or a pair of Majik 140s for the same amount by driving 700km round trip to collect them.
I imagine the speakers will sell quickly at that price.
Should I get in the car? Or is the amp a better choice?

I forgot to mention: The 140s also have the upgrade bases.

Integrity of the file copying process?

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A question that I’m hoping the IT experts among us can help with please.

I want to understand the best way of preserving the integrity of my FLAC files in the long term. My files are currently on a NAS with 2 HDDs set up with RAID 1 disc mirroring (with backups on other separate HDDs). My understanding is that the magnetic imprint on the surface of the discs will degrade over time and that the data is only safe for something like 5 years. The suggested response to this problem is to copy the files to a new disc and that the act of freshly writing the data creates a new magnetic imprint and the 5 year clock is restarted. This gets to my question; is the copying process itself 100% reliable?

A bit of Googling suggests that simple file copying with Windows Explorer (Windows 7) does not include any data verification and therefore the copying process could introduce data corruption. Is this true? Some have suggested using a utility such as Teracopy as this has the option to verify the written data.

An alternative approach would be to remove one of the old NAS discs and put in a new disc. The NAS would then mirror the files onto the new disc, at which point you repeat the process and swap out the second old disc for a new one. Copying the data in this way would be controlled by the NAS firmware. Is that secure and does it include data verification? Would this be a better method than file copying via Windows?

I’d be very grateful for any advice. Many thanks.

Linn Records - Jazz Collection

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I’ve been holding back on this post to ensure that I don’t come across as being too critical of Linn Records – what I write is more akin to an appeal rather than a complaint.

I was prompted to draft this response after listening to the recent Linn 24 bits of Christmas offerings for this year. The Movies Collection included “If I Only Had A Brain” by Joe Stilgoe while The Jazz Collection has “Embraceable You” by Claire Martin.

While Mr Stilgoe persists in producing these smug, cheesy numbers, reminiscent of everything we don’t like about “Jazz at the Pawnshop”, Ms. Martin has the audacity to ruin a Gershwin masterpiece – how dare she do this to one of my all-time favourites so convincingly recorded by Ella Fitzgerald in 1959 and never bettered - arranged by Nelson Riddle of course.

This made me look at all the recent Jazz offerings available from Linn Records: -

http://www.linnrecords.com/catalogue.asp...order=desc

Apart from the idiosyncratic recordings by Barb Jungr (!) and some other niche albums by Martin Taylor, we are awash in Stilgoe and Martin and not much else in recent years.

As a comparison, look at the current range available from ACT Music, especially its Young German Jazz artists: -

https://www.actmusic.com/

The music currently being recorded by the likes of Michael Wollny is years ahead of anything on Linn Records and some of these artists are the true successors to the Esbjörn Svensson Trio - we miss you Esbjörn!

So my appeal to Kim Campbell and everyone else at Linn Records is simply this – c’mon you can do better. There must be loads of young British Jazz talent out there – where are they, who are they, why are you not signing them up?

As a bit of a free promotion “Next summer, Glasgow will come alive with the sound of jazz, funk, blues, soul and world music as leading artists from across the jazz spectrum descend on the city for the 30th Glasgow Jazz Festival. Taking place across 22nd – 26th June 2016, the festival’s 30th year celebrations promise to be an unmissable occasion, with world class musicians performing all over the city.

The Glasgow Jazz Festival attracts some of the biggest names in jazz as well as Scotland’s finest homegrown talent, and is internationally acclaimed for its richly diverse programme, which features everything from trad and Dixie to free jazz, northern soul, world music, blues and hiphop crossovers.”


Let’s hope the Linn Records Talent Scouts are out and about next June?

Heard on the street

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Great new item coming - long overdue in my view, people will be happy

I am sure your dealers will let you know when they get back from their Friday lunch down the pub - that will be tomorrow then Big Grin

CJ

Uncontained Enthusiasm- Major Improvement For Less Than £50

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When I visited Briain in Scotland, back in September, he suggested I look into the power supply for my Netgear Switch. These switches are typically powered by an AC to DC SMPS converter that usually cost a couple of dollars to make.

Briain mentioned a specific company out of Germany called Friwo, that makes electronic components. Of interest to me, would be Friwo medical grade AC to DC converter, 12 volts and 1250 milliamperes. These look similar to the many wall warts, you and I have around the house, that power many devices at home. However, the cheap ones may generate a lot electronic noise that goes back into the mains. I have these wall warts all over the house such as one powering my AM/FM alarm clock, electric razor, recharge my iPad and iPhone, external computer hard drives and my Netgear switch, just to name a few.

Briain mentioned that the Friwo may make no difference at all to sound quality, or it may be stellar. I can tell you with great certainty, these are stellar in my HiFi system.

Briain has mentioned the Friwo devices in a couple of threads recently. There is only one way to find out how well these work and that is to buy one and try it in the system. I am a tweaker, so I go to order one.

The Friwo are readily available in Britain and Europe through RS Electronics, with a 1-2 business day deliver. Finding them over here though was a difficult ordeal, as I almost contemplated asking someone in Europe to purchase them for me and then ship them to me. However, once I had the specifications and did a lot of searching, I found that Allied Electronics in Canada is a sister company to RS Electronics in Britain. The trouble is they do not have it listed on their website and I had to wait until they put it up on their website. I ordered one a month ago, and it arrived today. Yippee. Big Grin

So what is all the excitement about?

Quite simply, for $88 (£42) plus shipping and tax, the sound quality improvement is not unlike the difference between owning Akubariks and then upgrading to 350's in terms of a powerful live rendering of the music. There is a whole new level of power and detail behind the music from the Akubariks that reminds me of 350's. It also gives me shades of the powerful sound pressure and detail of the new 802 Diamond 3's, but the Linn are better IMHO.
The new detail, the live at a concert feel and smoothness is a stunner. This is the most organic sounding, analogue vinyl sounding my system has ever been.

I actually cried when I heard the sound quality improvement. Ya, I know. It's always Paul. Big Grin

I have the Friwo plugged directly into the Environmental Potentials 2460 wave form correction device. Of course your results may vary.

Why are you not already on the RS site ordering? Tongue

On the RS Components site in the UK, it is part number 472-8572

Friwo 12V dc, 1 output switch mode , 1250 mA, 15W, MEDICAL, for the Netgear 108T and sells for £42.40.

Thank you very very much Briain!!!
Merry Christmas

Top MC matching cart for Kairn phono stage.

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Folks,
Looking for an MC cart that would work perfectly with the Kairn. What would be the best MC cartridge to match with the Kairn phono pre?

Is it possible to combine a Unidisk SC with a DSM?

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Hello all,

I currently own an Unidisk SC and a Akurate DS0. I am thinking about upgrading the latter, and can do that to either a DS or a DSM.
Currently the SC acts as the pre amp for 2 fronts, 2 rears and a center speaker, as well as for a Rel Strata V sub, which is connected both through LFE for 5.1 sources as through the High Level connection for stereo sources.

If I would upgrade to a DSM that would open the path to Exakt and possibly new Linn speakers in the future, but only when I can make the Unidisk SC and the DSM play nice.

I don't want to have to adjust volume levels on both the SC as the DSM when I listen to a 5.1 source, so the SC should be able to 'power' the rears, center and the sub, while sending the signal for the front speakers through analogue, spdif or toslink to the DSM while overriding the volume settings of the DSM.
This should work for both the internal media player of the SC as for spdif or toslink connected devices to the SC.
Is this possible?
If so, I can connect all the 5.1 sources to the SC and use it as a pre amp for those, while the DSM would be the pre amp for stereo sources; streaming and our record player.

In a way it would make more sense to connect the 5.1 sources to the DSM, but the would make it rather difficult to use the internal media player of the SC as that wouldn't have access to the front speakers.

Bonus points will be given if there is a way to connect the sub woofer to the DSM and/or hypothetical Exakt speakers through the High Level connection in case I decide to upgrade to smallish Exakt front speakers as our living room isn't that big.

MDSM/2 power up.

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When powering down (switch) the MDSM/2 i hear always a little bang in the speakers.
Powering up appears this as a much louder bang...
The MDSM/2 is connected at 2 Majik5100 active poweramps, the internal amp is disabled,also hdmi. Running latest firmware.
Is this normal behaviour?

You Would Have to Be Crazy To Get Into This Hobby!!!

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It started out innocent enough.

I just wanted to hear some good sounding music.

It has evolved into a quest for the holy grail, pushing the envelope and trying to squeeze better sound quality out of an already great system. I could have stuck with a basic tube preamp, power amp, turntable and some nice speakers, with cheap 12 gauge power cords from the hardware store, but no.

Case in point:

Power Supply

Philosophy: Clean Power is Everything, if you want the best from your system!!!

Wall sockets: Shunyata SR-Z1, brass components, cryo treated

Environmental Potentials 2460 Medical Grade power supply, wave form correction, isolated sockets.

Shunyata Triton power conditioner, which has the AEDSM, OPPO and SSP-800 plugged into it. The Triton is plugged into the 2460 power supply.


Shunyata Zitron Cobra Power cords, 8 cords power my Akubariks, AEDSM, OPPO, SSP-800, 4200's and the Triton (20 amp cord)

Environmental Potentials Portable Digiplugs, wave form correction, powering my APC 750 and QNAP NAS, and a second EP Digiplug powering my TV and HD Box.

Transparent Powerbar 8 powering my TV and HD box, plugged into one of my EP Portable Digiplugs. This also helps isolate the electronic noise from the video side, so it does not effect sound quality. At least that is the thinking.

Friwo MPP 15 12V MED powering my Netgear 108T switch.


Network and Storage

Philosophy: You have to store your music somewhere, why not give the ones and zeros a nice ride to the speakers?

iMac into router, router to switch through Cat7 ethernet cable.

QNAP 419P+ 4 bay, but just running 2 Western Digital Red 4TB Drives

QNAP 419P+ into Netgear 108T switch, via Better Music custom made ethernet cables. These same ethernet cables connect switch to AEDSM and AEDSM to each of the Akubariks.

QNAP is powered by an APC 750 Smart UPS, which is plugged into an EP Digiplug.

Seagate 3 TB External Drive into iMac


Stereo Cabinet and Isolation Devices

Philosophy: Vibrations Suck The Life Out Of The Detail and Soundstage

BDI stereo cabinet, very common in North America. Very well built and vented for good air circulation.

Akubariks sit on top of a pair of Aurelex SubDude HT's, which sit on a thick rubber mat. This is to decouple the speakers from the floor and isolate the bass from my neighbour in the apartment below.

Linn 225 centre channel sit on top of thin piece of rubber mat, and then sitting on an Ikea Aptitlig bamboo butcher block, which sits on a set of AudioQuest sorbothan Q Feet. This helps prevent vibrations from the 225 into the rest of the electronics, especially the OPPO.

Linn 212's sitting on Linn stands, which sit on Ikea Aptitlig bamboo butcher blocks. The blocks sit on top of a large piece of stone tile, isolated by felt pads in between.

Linn AEDSM, OPPO, and 4200's sit on top of Ikea Aptitlig bamboo butcher blocks, with felt pads between the butcher block and the BDI cabinet.

The OPPO sits on top of a set of Still Point Mini's, which sit on the Ikea blocks

The AEDSM sits on a set of generic stainless steel spikes into stainless cups, which sit on the Ikea bamboo butcher.

Sitting in the wings is an rubber inner tube, from a tire store, which will be cut up into sections, to try under the butcher blocks, instead of the felt pads.


Analogue Connections

Philosophy: No centre channel or surrounds without them Tongue

K400 to the 225 and to the 212's

Linn Silvers for the analogue connections between the SSP-800 and the 4200's

Yes, I am waiting for Exakt multichannel Wink



Room Acoustics

Philosophy: Room Acoustics are as important as upgrading components, to the sound quality, and make a massive difference if done correctly.

8 X 5 foot New Zealand thick wool area rug

ATS acoustic panels.behind and to the side of the Akubariks.

Aurelex acoustic panels behind the listening position.

3 X 4 Foot acoustic panel placed to the left of the left Akubarik

Strategically placed drapes, behind the listening position and covering the glass patio sliding door to the right of the room.

No-name brand towels covering the TV glass, while listening to music. :roll eyes:

Ears

Philosophy: Clean ears are key to good sound quality and detail

Sonic Buster 3000 Q tips

Sticking my head out the car window when going over 120 mph, to clean out the ear canals, and also acting like a ultrasonic device to clean the ear drums. Tongue



Are we there yet?

I don't know, I have not arrived yet.


So as you can see this is now beyond the stage of insanity. Tongue

Can't save Space Optimization setup

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Whe I try to save the setup all fields are reset. If I try to load the setup afterwards the fields are also empty. The button Optimize is also inactive. I'm on an iMac and have the first generation Sneaky DS. All softaware has just been updates without any issues. Have anyone else experienced this?

KLIMAX DS vs KLIMAX RENEW DS

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Hi, Just viewed Linn Klimax Renew DS/1,encased in a plain black metal enclosure,for
sale from a Linn Dealer, price £4,300. Also viewed, from same dealer, Brand New
Linn Klimax DS/1,encased in single billet of aluminium, price £13,300! Can someone
explain what I gain for the extra £9000?
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